Jodi Kantor on what’s modified for the reason that Weinstein story reworked #MeToo


NEW YORK (JTA) — When New York Instances journalists Jodi Kantor and Megan Twohey broke the Harvey Weinstein story on October, 5, 2017, it began a #MeToo revolution: Girls started sharing private experiences of the sexual harassment and abuse they’d confronted.

Although activist Tarana Burke soar began MeToo in 2006, the reporting by Kantor and Twohey about Weinstein helped rework it into a worldwide motion. Their new e-book, “She Stated: Breaking the Sexual Harassment Story That Helped Ignite a Motion,” reaches again into early 2017 and particulars how they reported on the Weinstein story.

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They purposefully included many unique paperwork — together with a memo that feminist lawyer Lisa Bloom wrote in regards to the methods she was going to govern on Weinstein’s behalf, and texts between Kavanaugh accuser Dr. Christine Blasey Ford and her attorneys — so, as Kantor defined to the Jewish Telegraphic Company, “readers have the power to look at this for themselves.”

Kantor spoke with JTA about “She Stated,” Harvey Weinstein and what it means to her that the anniversary of the story’s publication coincides with the holiest day of the Jewish yr.

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This interview has been edited and condensed for brevity and readability.

JTA: We’re having this dialog the day earlier than Yom Kippur, a Jewish vacation all about atonement. Do you suppose it’s doable for somebody to atone for sexual assault? For folks to forgive?

Kantor: I simply need to reply it somewhat bit in another way as a result of I’m not a rabbi, however I’m a journalist. It’s additionally nearly two years to the day since we broke the Weinstein story, and Yom Kippur that yr was only a few days earlier than publication. And I bear in mind simply being utterly overcome by how robust the Excessive Vacation themes had been within the story. As a result of there was a lot about reckoning, and what occurred previously, and sin, and whether or not that might ever be redeemed or compensated. After which, after publication, it became a collective reckoning.

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Yom Kippur this yr coincides with the third anniversary of the Entry Hollywood tape leaking, the second anniversary of the publication of the Weinstein story and the primary anniversary of Christine Blasey Ford’s testimony. It simply results in these collective questions of how, collectively, are we going to resolve all these points as constructively as doable.

Christine Blasey Ford, middle, flanked by attorneys Debra Katz, left, and Michael Bromwich, testifies throughout a Senate Judiciary Committee listening to in Washington, DC, on September 27,2018. (Tom Williams/AFP)

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Do you suppose something has modified in these two years?

A part of what’s so confounding is that every part has modified and nothing has modified. And that’s a part of why we wrote the e-book — we did it to carry you behind the scenes of those occasions and convey you to floor zero. Folks have developed such highly effective emotions about #MeToo. This e-book was an invite to come back with us, to hitch our partnership and to come back perceive these occasions as they transpired. We’re bringing you into these first hushed cellphone calls with actresses as they started to inform us Weinstein tales. You’ll meet the Deep Throat of the Weinstein investigation, an accountant who labored for Weinstein for 30 years who gave us crucial info. You’ll be there within the room as Christine Blasey Ford is getting ready her testimony together with her attorneys.

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You and Megan had been in the news lately a couple of heated interview with Bob Woodward at Sixth & I, a Washington, DC, synagogue. What occurred?

We understood the viewers’s considerations, however we had been additionally actually grateful to Woodward for volunteering to reasonable the night. Even among the questions that brought about controversy nonetheless gave us an opportunity to elucidate issues, to share issues that we thought actually necessary. Megan and I’ve confronted a lot worse than a fumbling query or two, and we don’t need anybody to cease asking questions or bow out of the dialog for worry that they’re going to say the improper factor.

Each query is a chance to speak about #MeToo. These matters are messy, and they’re controversial, so even when a query comes out somewhat awkwardly, that’s superb. As a result of we wish folks, and particularly males, to stay within the dialog, and we wish them to maintain asking.

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This June 11, 2012 file picture exhibits former Washington Publish reporter Bob Woodward talking throughout an occasion to commemorate the 40th anniversary of Watergate in Washington. (AP Picture/Alex Brandon, file)

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I really like that “She Stated” additionally contains tales of ladies who didn’t communicate out. Within the introduction, you write that “we write about those that did communicate out, together with different ladies who selected to not, and the nuances of how and when and why.” Are you able to broaden on this?

Many ladies had been truly barred from speaking about their very own experiences due to secret settlements and cash they’d accepted. Others selected to not come ahead, and “She Stated” explores why. After which, in the direction of the tip, we describe Christine Blasey Ford, who has essentially the most difficult “she stated” story we’ve ever encountered, when it comes to what she did and didn’t need to say publicly at varied phases main as much as that unforgettable testimony.

Has your Jewishness influenced your reporting, and has reporting on #MeToo impacted you personally?

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I don’t write about being Jewish, however when it comes to private background, it’s been vastly influential. My grandparents are Holocaust survivors, my grandmother remains to be alive — she is popping 96. I grew up believing within the energy of tales. I grew up round plenty of traumatized folks, lots of people with numbers on their arms, and a way that some folks had been prepared to speak in regards to the worst issues that had occurred and others weren’t. When you spend plenty of time with survivors, you are feeling that distinction [with regard to] who’s prepared to speak about their experiences and who isn’t. That’s one thing I used to be conscious of from a extremely early age.

I grew up round plenty of traumatized folks, lots of people with numbers on their arms, and a way that some folks had been prepared to speak in regards to the worst issues that had occurred and others weren’t

Although it took me a very long time to turned an investigative journalist, looking back, I grew up steeped within the questions of investigative journalism. Which means, how may one thing like this have occurred? Who helped? Why didn’t anyone intervene? How did it work? What actually occurred? Are the victims prepared to share their experiences? These actually pervaded my childhood.

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The largest impression of the reporting has been to essentially affirm this concept that information can drive social change. You may’t clear up an issue you possibly can’t see. Even many people who thought we knew one thing about gender on this nation had no concept the extent of what ladies had endured contained in the office and past.

I discovered it actually shifting that you simply and Megan use the assertion “I can’t change what occurred to you previously, however collectively we might be able to use your expertise to assist defend different folks” to encourage ladies to share their tales. Why does this opening work?

That line was one thing Megan had formulated throughout a few years of reporting intercourse crimes. When she first shared that line with me on the cellphone, she was nonetheless on maternity depart and we weren’t but working collectively. It actually clicked with me as a result of I believed that’s the greatest cause to speak to a journalist.

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We’re all the time seeking to redefine the act of speaking to a journalist as one thing good. Many consider it as traitorous, or overly complaining, or tattle-taley. And our argument is chatting with a journalist is one thing you do within the public service, and is one thing you do to make society more healthy.

From left to proper, David Parfitt, Donna Gigliotti, Harvey Weinstein, Gwyneth Paltrow, Edward Zwick and Marc Norman all have fun after receiving the Oscar for greatest image for ‘Shakespeare In Love’ through the 71st Annual Academy Awards Sunday, March 21, 1999. (AP Picture/Dave Caulkin)

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Plenty of “She Stated” dives into the “complicitness” of the individuals who surrounded Weinstein in his abuse for thus lengthy. Is there something that stunned you essentially the most whereas writing it?

That entire theme of who helped and who hindered was actually shocking to us. We by no means may’ve guessed that Lisa Bloom, this tremendous feminist celeb lawyer, was the truth is going to cross strains and assist Weinstein. We by no means may’ve suspected that her mom, an much more feminist lawyer, had achieved settlements with victims of Weinstein, [Bill] O’Reilly, [Larry] Nassar — serving to to hide the issue. We actually by no means may’ve guessed that Gwyneth Paltrow would’ve change into one in all our Most worthy sources, serving to so avidly behind the scenes within the investigation. She had been Weinstein’s largest star. I believe that the query of what folks’s public faces are, and what their non-public faces are, and the way every of them acted in relation to Weinstein’s alleged misdeeds is admittedly shocking.

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Did Weinstein’s Jewishness come up in any respect? Did it impression something all through the story?

I do know the Weinstein, and likewise the Jeffery Epstein tales, are very embarrassing to Jews. However I believe folks ought to take consolation in realizing that that is simply common.

The New York Instances has regarded into Silicon Valley and academia and restaurant staff and factories and all of those completely different fields, and one factor we noticed for certain was that this downside shouldn’t be particular to any group or background. Invoice Cosby, Larry Nassar, Harvey Weinstein … it simply ranges throughout fields.

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Harvey Weinstein arrives in courtroom in New York, August 26, 2019. (Mark Lennihan/AP)

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What dialog do you hope arises out of “She Stated”? What do you hope readers take away?

I hope readers see it as an X-ray into energy and an opportunity to ask the massive questions on how energy works. Not simply within the Weinstein story, however in our personal lives. When you hear a rumor about one thing going improper within the office, do you intervene or not? That’s one thing that every one of us face.

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